Curse

Sli Ander · Aug 04, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

This is just speculation and an idea inspired by someone mentioning smiting. I know theres an army of undead in the Underworld on the Battlefield, but the odds of a pug wanting to take a smiter their are slim. Other than that and Lions arch(which I can solo easily with a smiter), there isn't much undead except for a couple scattered creatures in high end missions. Now heres what I know:
1. It's called Nightfall(spooky, huh?)
2. They have Dervishes, whom I think Smite Monks should have been much like from the start(ya know, halfway powerful against normal types of characters). I'm not talking about 55 monks or Dual Smite team builds or anything like that.
3. More new smites (including elites) in Factions. I haven't gotten far in there yet, but I doubt there's going to be a bunch of undead wandering around the countryside
Question: Is there any chance that Nightfall might bring about more combat with the undead?Therefore allowing Monks to make a comeback as a combat effective class, not simply as some Healer or precisely dictated build?

I thought it an interesting idea, so any comments on its possible plausibility(even if its just an extreme remote chance) would be appreciated.

Shadow · Aug 04, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

I'm going to assume it'll have more demons than undead. But we'll see.

unholy guardian · Aug 04, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

were you at the dragon festival? IT had those weird grasps, pretty sure they are going to have them and devourers pretty much lol.

Sli Ander · Aug 04, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by unholy guardian

were you at the dragon festival? IT had those weird grasps, pretty sure they are going to have them and devourers pretty much lol.

unfortunately didn't know about the dragon festival till afterwards, but i've heard it was fun. If they do have those grasps in nightfall, maybe i'll be able to get a good look at them.

Omega X · Aug 04, 2006, 04:58 AM // 04:58

I always thought that the Afflicted should have been affected by Holy Damage. But oh well.

unholy guardian · Aug 04, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

they really just look like the jumbo ones you find around kyrta

Wyldchild777 · Aug 04, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Greetings,

Here's some thoughts on this topic. Nightfall has an Egyptian feel to it, so why not borrow from that style?

I'm not 100% sure, but we haven't seen any mummies for an undead type. This is borrowing straight from the Egyptian mythology (Osiris I believe). As well as countless horror movies, both classic and modern.

Along the lines of movies, remember the Branden Frasier movies The Mummy and The Mummy Returns? Those featured 2 style of mummies (the main antagonist as well as the summoned types), as well as some Egyptian style skeletons (if I remember correctly).

But, who knows? Certainly not us. It's those folks over at ANet who know. So, either the "classic" style of Egyptian undead, or something completely new, I'm sure ANet won't really disappoint (at least as far as I'm concerned).

Merry meet, merry met, merry meet again,
Wyldchild777

Jimyd · Aug 04, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

I have a mod for hammer that is +20% vs demons and one thats +19% vs plants.

Bring on the venus flytraps and pitchfork men! =)

Shadow · Aug 04, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Omega X

I always thought that the Afflicted should have been affected by Holy Damage. But oh well.

So did I. It never made any sense to me why it wouldn't.

xXa1 · Aug 04, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

we know that the outcast god is the cause of The Darkness and thus the name Nightfall ...

... The Darkness already exists at ToPK ...

...therefore, no need to wonder what type of mobs you're going to encounter at Elona. They also featured the very same mobs during the Dragon Festival, also attributing it to The Darkness.

Sli Ander · Aug 04, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Just because the Outcast god is the cause doesn't mean he can't have undead minions, but I must admit that since they used the undead rising in Kryta, theres not much of a chance they would play a major role in any expansions for quite some time.

Wyldchild777 · Aug 04, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Greetings,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXa1

we know that the outcast god is the cause of The Darkness and thus the name Nightfall ...

... The Darkness already exists at ToPK ...

...therefore, no need to wonder what type of mobs you're going to encounter at Elona. They also featured the very same mobs during the Dragon Festival, also attributing it to The Darkness.

Well, the grasps (from the Festival and ToPK), as well as the Darkness, I see more as being demonic instead of undead. But, you could have a point here. The monster type is already introduced into the game, all ANet has to do is develop upon it.

Merry meet, merry met, merry meet again,
Wyldchild777

darrylhaines · Aug 04, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

The thing is though, how many pugs are going to take a smiter? Just about every pug I have ever played with in Prof and Factions hasn't taken a smiter. In my view this is a waste as Monk's shouldn't have to just heal as they are being forced to do now.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 04, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

I always thought that the Afflicted should have been affected by Holy Damage. But oh well.

You and me both.

Sli Ander · Aug 04, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

With the mention of demons in mind... Why shouldn't monks be able to take the front lines? Do you think Dervishes and Paladin builds are going to replace smiters even if we do go against undead/demons?

I just want to be able to smite....

Rancour · Aug 05, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

You can smite anywhere in the game, just make sure you tell your group before embarking...

Anyway, we haven't seen any undead-ish monsters in the preview video and we've already had that "theme". I can definately see undead enemies in Nightfall, but I sorta doubt it'll be the main attraction.

Personally, I'm rooting for demons and/or bugs.

Sli Ander · Aug 05, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Rancour

You can smite anywhere in the game, just make sure you tell your group before embarking...

Thats called "Instant Kick", or if you're lucky they'll simply ask you to change your build(At least in the high end missions, I usually henched my way through the lower end). Unless you're in a pug that specifically said they're looking for random people.
I doubt undead will be the main theme(even though I started the thread), but I can still dream....

AW Lore · Aug 05, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

i kinda got dissapointed with the undead of Prophecies.

when i first saw the undead skeletons inside the catacombs i was "cool, figthing skeletons, i wonder if there will be zombies" later when i reached kryta and found zombie necromancers i thought they were going to be melee type (i know, there are ghouls and executioners) with bites and diseases, though i understand skeletons being able to use magic

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i hope nightfall gets more undead action.

Samuel Dravis · Aug 05, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I would love to see some undeads in Nightfall. I love fighting them...

mightyzap · Aug 05, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

im missing the part of "own some mursaat" since factions came

wonder if some future expansion gets to "core" of mursaat (they came from somewhere to tyria huh :P with more and specially more challenging (stronger) variants. mursaat assasin/rit/paragon perhaps ? anyone ?